in fact, we'll call it a targeted killing or something of that sort or an act of self-defense. >> john: from the minds who brought us collateral damage, metilla, have you any circumstances where folks on the ground felt the drone strikes were justified in the middle east? the main argument i don't hear about this is aren't the strikes making us less safe? >> i recently returned from pakistan. i can tell you with all certainty that we have alienated a huge number of people in that country who now consider the united states an enemy. so if we killed some high-level al-qaeda or some high-level taliban, it is not justified in the overall sense of are we safer as a nation. i would say we're far less safe as a nation and that's one of the reasons i think if they were a rational congress, they would be rejecting john brennan. >> john: i think it will be a timely hearing this week. scott, is the administration going down the same road as the bush administration did by keeping this secret? shouldn't the public understand what the administration is up to when it kills an american citizen who has